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	<title>Comments on: A Simpler Rounded Rule Technique</title>
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		<title>By: amaltra</title>
		<link>http://www.theindesigner.com/blog/a-simpler-rounded-rule-technique/comment-page-1#comment-1063</link>
		<dc:creator>amaltra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>very cool link on rules
http://www.layersmagazine.com/paragraph-rules-in-indesign-cs3.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>very cool link on rules<br />
<a href="http://www.layersmagazine.com/paragraph-rules-in-indesign-cs3.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.layersmagazine.com/paragraph-rules-in-indesign-cs3.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Marc Blackburn</title>
		<link>http://www.theindesigner.com/blog/a-simpler-rounded-rule-technique/comment-page-1#comment-991</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Blackburn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have noticed that there is a little problem with the method of creating custom rounded rules as shown. 

Though it&#039;s not overtly advocated, the screen shots show leaving the Corners field to Adjust dashes and gaps. I have found that at specific line length to rule weight ratios this can result the join between dots becoming visible. The dots show some cleavage.

The effect is more pronounced and probably easier to replicate if Adjust gaps only is selected. I can&#039;t see any problem with None, but I assume Adjust dots is the safest choice.

PS re &quot;This just keeps getting simpler&quot; Isn&#039;t it simpler to to define a rounded corner rule than to have to select both rule and gap colours each and every time?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have noticed that there is a little problem with the method of creating custom rounded rules as shown. </p>
<p>Though it&#8217;s not overtly advocated, the screen shots show leaving the Corners field to Adjust dashes and gaps. I have found that at specific line length to rule weight ratios this can result the join between dots becoming visible. The dots show some cleavage.</p>
<p>The effect is more pronounced and probably easier to replicate if Adjust gaps only is selected. I can&#8217;t see any problem with None, but I assume Adjust dots is the safest choice.</p>
<p>PS re &#8220;This just keeps getting simpler&#8221; Isn&#8217;t it simpler to to define a rounded corner rule than to have to select both rule and gap colours each and every time?</p>
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		<title>By: DrWatson</title>
		<link>http://www.theindesigner.com/blog/a-simpler-rounded-rule-technique/comment-page-1#comment-987</link>
		<dc:creator>DrWatson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 15:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for all these episodes and threads on paragrah rules, I use them frequently, but as I see now, I just scratched at the surface. Great stuff. However, keep in mind that paragraph rules are deleted when you apply &quot;Create Outlines&quot; to the text. So if for any reasons you have to convert all your text to outlines, all paragraph rules will disappear (also applies to fill colours of text frames as well as some other niceties)... as far as I know. If there&#039;s a way to convert text to outlines and keep the paragraph rules (or keep the _appearance_, at least when exported as an EPS), I&#039;d be glad to hear about it ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all these episodes and threads on paragrah rules, I use them frequently, but as I see now, I just scratched at the surface. Great stuff. However, keep in mind that paragraph rules are deleted when you apply &#8220;Create Outlines&#8221; to the text. So if for any reasons you have to convert all your text to outlines, all paragraph rules will disappear (also applies to fill colours of text frames as well as some other niceties)&#8230; as far as I know. If there&#8217;s a way to convert text to outlines and keep the paragraph rules (or keep the _appearance_, at least when exported as an EPS), I&#8217;d be glad to hear about it <img src='http://www.theindesigner.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Eugene Tyson</title>
		<link>http://www.theindesigner.com/blog/a-simpler-rounded-rule-technique/comment-page-1#comment-954</link>
		<dc:creator>Eugene Tyson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey that&#039;s great, glad to be of service :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey that&#8217;s great, glad to be of service <img src='http://www.theindesigner.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Michael Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eugene, you are the man! That worked perfectly. A search for &lt;strong&gt;~b~b&lt;/strong&gt; removes all of the standard returns but leaves all of the page breaks intact. Thanks a million!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eugene, you are the man! That worked perfectly. A search for <strong>~b~b</strong> removes all of the standard returns but leaves all of the page breaks intact. Thanks a million!</p>
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		<title>By: Eugene Tyson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eugene Tyson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought ~b was for carriage returns? Would that search work?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought ~b was for carriage returns? Would that search work?</p>
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		<title>By: lasso</title>
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		<dc:creator>lasso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,
Thank you for taking the time, i appreciate the effort - sounds like a plan!
Christiaan, SA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,<br />
Thank you for taking the time, i appreciate the effort &#8211; sounds like a plan!<br />
Christiaan, SA</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 01:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lasso --

I tested out your problem and the same thing happened on my end. Here&#039;s what it boils down to: since all break characters are &quot;end of paragraph&quot; characters, the &lt;strong&gt;\r&lt;/strong&gt; metacharacter matches &lt;em&gt;all&lt;/em&gt; break characters (line, column, frame, page and standard carriage return). This happens with both Text and GREP searches. While you can &lt;em&gt;specifically&lt;/em&gt; search for any of those break characters using its unique metacharacter (&lt;strong&gt;~R&lt;/strong&gt; for Page Break, for example), the &lt;strong&gt;\r&lt;/strong&gt; can&#039;t distinguish between any specific break type.

My recommended workaround for your particular problem is to first do a search for the page break character (&lt;strong&gt;~R&lt;/strong&gt;) and use Find/Change to insert something unique like a bullet character (or even some text like &lt;strong&gt;PAGEBREAK&lt;/strong&gt; that couldn&#039;t possibly appear anywhere else in your text) in front of it. Then, do a second find change for all of the double returns using the &lt;strong&gt;\r\r&lt;/strong&gt; method. The page break characters won&#039;t be matched because they&#039;re preceded by the unique text you put in. Once all of the double returns have been removed, do one more search to remove the unique character or text you put in before the page breaks.

It&#039;s not perfect, but it&#039;s the only way around the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lasso &#8211;</p>
<p>I tested out your problem and the same thing happened on my end. Here&#8217;s what it boils down to: since all break characters are &#8220;end of paragraph&#8221; characters, the <strong>\r</strong> metacharacter matches <em>all</em> break characters (line, column, frame, page and standard carriage return). This happens with both Text and GREP searches. While you can <em>specifically</em> search for any of those break characters using its unique metacharacter (<strong>~R</strong> for Page Break, for example), the <strong>\r</strong> can&#8217;t distinguish between any specific break type.</p>
<p>My recommended workaround for your particular problem is to first do a search for the page break character (<strong>~R</strong>) and use Find/Change to insert something unique like a bullet character (or even some text like <strong>PAGEBREAK</strong> that couldn&#8217;t possibly appear anywhere else in your text) in front of it. Then, do a second find change for all of the double returns using the <strong>\r\r</strong> method. The page break characters won&#8217;t be matched because they&#8217;re preceded by the unique text you put in. Once all of the double returns have been removed, do one more search to remove the unique character or text you put in before the page breaks.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not perfect, but it&#8217;s the only way around the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: lasso</title>
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		<dc:creator>lasso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 11:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, great episode - i love it when the fundamentals are so versatile. I have a question re a problem i have been experiencing and i’m not sure if it is my software or whether i’m missing the obvious. One of my clients supplied me with text for a book i am laying out for them. They were kind enough to supply me with a MS Word file including page breaks but also had double paragraph breaks to separate paragraphs. These i had to reduce to single para breaks. I used find and replace GREP - find’\r\r’ replace with ‘\r’. Unfortunately this removed the page breaks (~R) as well? Do you know why this could be?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, great episode &#8211; i love it when the fundamentals are so versatile. I have a question re a problem i have been experiencing and i’m not sure if it is my software or whether i’m missing the obvious. One of my clients supplied me with text for a book i am laying out for them. They were kind enough to supply me with a MS Word file including page breaks but also had double paragraph breaks to separate paragraphs. These i had to reduce to single para breaks. I used find and replace GREP &#8211; find’\r\r’ replace with ‘\r’. Unfortunately this removed the page breaks (~R) as well? Do you know why this could be?</p>
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		<title>By: Stephane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 22:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mike,
just for information: on June 19th (in this thread), i said it doesn&#039;t works with a mac and a French CS2 (i don&#039;t know why at this time!).
So this week, i had open your file on a PC this time and with a CS3 version. ;-) FORTUNATELY, it&#039;s look pretty good.
++
Stephane</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mike,<br />
just for information: on June 19th (in this thread), i said it doesn&#8217;t works with a mac and a French CS2 (i don&#8217;t know why at this time!).<br />
So this week, i had open your file on a PC this time and with a CS3 version. <img src='http://www.theindesigner.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  FORTUNATELY, it&#8217;s look pretty good.<br />
++<br />
Stephane</p>
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